Oneida 3 HP Cyclone Collector

WOOD magazine rating
Average reader rating
5.0
out of 5
Brand:
Oneida Air Systems
Model:
V-System 3000 XXV030139H
Price:
$1,600

Description

System Performance - 1285 CFM @ 3" SP w/ Filter
- Sufficient airflow for 1, sometimes 2 machines operating simultaneously
- 6" diameter main line.

System Dimensions
- Height w/ 35 Gallon Drum: 84.6"
- Footprint w/ Ext. Cartridge: 30" X 50"
- Inlet Diameter Full Welded 6" Neutral Vane
- Powder coated paint finish over heavy gauge steel

Integral Fan Blower - Industrial Quality
- American Made Motor
- 3 Horsepower
- TEFC Motor, 1.0 Service Factor
- Insulation Class F
- Voltage: 230
- Amperage: 13
- Cast aluminum alloy 356T-51 / backward inclined / non-sparking, non-ferrous as required by NFPA fire code / dynamic, two-plane balanced to ISO G6.3 specifications. The same as aircraft turbine rotors.

Filter Media
- Item FCS133695HF
- 13" x 39", 95 sq. ft.
- GE Certified H12 HEPA media
- MERV Rating: 16+ - Click here for info
- 99.977@ efficient @ 0.3 to 0.5 microns
- Third Party Tested - Click here
- Equipped with Flame Guard Arrestor Technology
- Made In The USA

Sound Level
- With Standard Silencer & Filter: 75 dB @ 10'

Dust Drums Available
- 35 Gallon Fiber Drum - ODK350701
- 55 Gallon Fiber Drum - ODK550701
- Other sizes and types available

WOOD magazine review

Unequaled at filtering dust

Review Summary

With the smoothest-running impeller, best overall fit and finish, and superior dust filtration, this 3-hp cyclone was the cream of the crop in our test of nine dust collectors (4 cyclones and 5 single-stage). Another plus: It’s second-quietest (79 dB), below the threshold of potential hearing loss (85 dB). An optional wall-mount kit would improve access to the collection drum, which is more difficult to remove when using the 3-leg stand.
Although this cyclone is not engineered for maximum airflow, it still overcame nearly 7" of static-pressure loss at 800 CFM, the minimum airflow needed to power a small-shop duct system. And at 1100 CFM it still overcomes 3.5" of SP loss. But this unit is built for filtration, and its micro-fiber canister filter trapped dust so well it became the standard in our test to measure other units against. When we left it running with a blast gate open and no other machines running, the V-System 3000 cleaned the shop air as well as a fine-filtration air cleaner.

Detailed Ratings

4.8
out of 5

Performance

5

Features

5

Ease of Use

5

Value

4

Reader Reviews

Outstanding 3HP cyclone

Review Summary

Oneida V-System 3000 - 3 HP Dust Cyclone Five months ago, I replaced a 1983-era 4-bag, 3-HP Grizzly model G1030 dust collector with a V-System 3000. The Grizzly had 3 micron bags over the factory 30 micron cloth bags, so most dust was trapped in the cloth bags. There were two major problems with the G1030: 1. Although there was terrific suction immediately after the bags were emptied and cleaned (in the washing machine), suction steadily declined as the bags filled and clogged.
Even at 1/4 full, suction seriously declined. 2. After dust collector use, the surrounding area had an obvious wood dust smell. My wife’s sewing area is nearby and I didn’t want her (or me) breathing polluted air. A review of 3 HP cyclones found but a single (positive) review of the V-system, in Wood magazine, but no customer reviews. The V-system’s primary selling points for me were: - 100% made in the USA with an American made (Leeson) motor - 99.977% efficient @ 0.3 to 0.5 micron HEPA filter - the cyclone and motor housing are thick heavy steel (painted yellow) - being 3 HP, the 220 volt 20 amp wiring and breaker for the Grizzly would work - its 6" air intake matched the existing workshop dust collection piping - machine with a 35 gallon drum had 7" clearance under my 93" basement ceiling - sized for a one-man shop using one machine at a time. My 6" duct-work has 3" or 4" blast-gates with flex hoses to a jointer, table saw, router table, sliding compound miter saw, table saw, belt/disc sander, band saw, and surface planer. Two undesirable V-system attributes were resolved as follows: 1. System includes a cheap fiber drum, so I paid Oneida $100 extra for a 35 gallon steel drum. A 55 gallon steel drum is also available. 2. The $72 V-system 3-legged stand needed too much floor space and it just wouldn’t work for me. So, I ordered a 4-legged Super Dust Gorilla stand ($218), and made a 3/4" plywood collar for the stand top to receive the V-system. This approach worked fine and the stand’s square footprint is smaller than the 3-legged stand. I mounted steel handles on the drum and made a dolly for it to sit on and for rolling it out from under the machine. Oneida mistakenly sent both drums, which allows a comparison. The fiber drum is basically pressed paper, had a thin metal lid, a weak clamp to hold the lid down, and was fairly light. Oneida didn’t even want it back so it went in the trash. The steel drum and lid are strong gage with a large heavy-duty clamp for securing the lid, is on the heavy side, is 23" high and 23.5" in diameter, and the lid has a giant O ring for sealing against the drum. The included 1' long flex hose that goes between the cyclone bottom and the drum is 7 ½" diameter, while the cyclone and lid pipe are 7" diameter – so there’s some play. Fortunately, the two included worm-gear clamps secure the hose against leaking. If the floor under your drum will ever be wet or damp, elevate the drum on wheels or a dolly, etc. To empty the drum, release the lid’s band clamp and lift the lid off the drum. Slide the drum out and empty. Reverse to reinstall the drum. The system includes a magnetic starter, which I didn’t need – so I cut the motor cord and installed a 6-20P NEMA plug on said cord and a matching 6-20R 220-v receptacle adjacent to the machine. My machine is electrified with a 220-volt 20 amp circuit breaker (in a sub-panel) within the shop. That breaker was used thousands of times since 1983 to power the Grizzly. The magnetic starter, if used as is, must be mounted in close proximity to the machine due to the cord length. I also replaced two existing 6" galvanized narrow radius elbow ducts with Oneida’s large radius 90 degree adjustable elbows. Large radius elbows have less air resistance than standard elbows. Assembly instructions were very clear and complete and it’s largely a one person job – except that mounting the very heavy (and expensive) motor/fan assembly on top of the cyclone is a 2-man job. Overall quality of the Oneida, including the welding and painting, is first rate. I added more foam weatherstripping between the major assembly pieces than Oneida suggests, and drilled two additional mounting holes on the bottom of where the black filter duct meets the machine; applied aluminized tape over duct joints for leak control; and used a chain and turnbuckle arrangement to pull up the square black duct leading to the filter until it was level vertically – otherwise, the filter’s bottom seriously slanted toward the stand due to its weight. An issue for me was having clearance under the support frame for the steel barrel and dolly to roll in and out – which required modifications to the lower front bracket on the Super Dust Gorilla stand. I bought the 35 gallon sized stand, which was a couple of inches too short at that bracket because of the added dolly height. If you plan to do something similar, get the 55 gallon stand and shorten the legs as necessary. The wall bracket would be an excellent choice if mounted on a masonry wall, but on my 2x4 framed, plywood covered wall, it would have amplified the machine’s sound. After using the machine for several hours the first time, there was some fine dust near some of the bolt holes where the filter adapter attaches. After reinstalling those bolts with a rubber gasket under the washers, there was no more leakage anywhere. The cast aluminum fan blades appear to be reversed, and they are. It’s called “backward inclined”, which is required by NFPA fire code. The machine is pretty loud (75db) – about what you’d expect from a giant fan. I use ear-muffs while operating any big tool and the cyclone. There is no perceptible vibration, which isn’t surprising, given the two-plane dynamically balanced fan blade. Operational results: - Suction: even though Grizzly claims the G1030 is 2300 CFM versus the V-system’s claimed 1105 CFM, the Oneida seems to move at least as much air as the Grizzly did with clean filters. But, V-system suction remains constant regardless of how much sawdust has been collected. In my setup, with over 40' of duct-work between the farthest machine and the cyclone, suction is excellent at every tool even though several tools have two blast gates & hoses each. The surface planer generates the most sawdust (and chips) and the Oneida handles it with ease. - Cyclone efficiency: after emptying several barrels of sawdust, compressed air was blown from 6" away all around at the HEPA filter as Oneida suggests. This is to loosen dust particles to fall into the 1-gallon ABS plastic dust bin under the filer. However, when the bin was removed for cleaning, it was empty, except for a very thin dust coating on the bottom. At that rate of accumulation, it would take many years of use to collect much of anything. This was proof that the cyclone is nearly 100% effective in diverting sawdust & chips into the barrel, with virtually nothing solid making it to the filter or dust bin. - Dust smell: even after using the cyclone for hours on end, there is no wood dust smell in the air. This means the HEPA filter works as advertised. I run the cyclone as an air cleaner for a minute or two after using the sliding compound miter saw since that spews the most dust into the air. Summary: This machine exceeded my expectations in quality, suction, filtration, and cyclone effectiveness, plus it’s designed for 6" ducts. Had ceiling height and floor space been sufficient, I might have bought a 3HP Super Dust Gorilla, since it has a Baldor motor, a larger cyclone, and a bigger HEPA filter.

Detailed Ratings

5.0
out of 5

Performance

5

Features

5

Ease of Use

5

Value

5

Outstanding Equipment, Great design & system design help, poor customer follow up/service

Review Summary

I bought this system in the Spring of 2014, after using the Jet 1.5 HP for about 18 months. I was upgrading my shop and wanted to add a ductwork system to eliminate hoses going all over the floor. The review here on this forum convinced me that I should spend some more money to get the system that "became the standard in our test to measure other units against", and it was American made!
Choose this one over the Laguna that I had narrowed it down to for competition with this system. Oneida offered the free system design service with the purchase, so I submitted my tool & shop information, received their plans, and ordered my system. I didn't immediately order all of the ductwork from them, thinking that I could locally source from HVAC supply houses. The system arrived right on schedule, and I eagerly set to work to assemble it. Upon opening the boxes, I discovered some material changes in the equipment. The fan housing that sits on top of the cyclone was made of plastic, instead of the metal mentioned in the other detailed (excellent) review on this forum. Was disappointed and surprised by this change, but continued with the assembly. When I went to attach the plenum to the housing, found that it was also made of plastic, but lacked the bolt holes required to attach it to the fan housing. This is when things turned for the worse on the customer service standpoint. I called Oneida and spoke to my salesman who I had worked with through the entire process, asked why I received plastic parts, and told him about the plenum issue. He explained that the plastic parts had replaced the metal ones about 3 months earlier, and then he quickly passed me to customer service to take care of my plenum problem. I explained to the pleasant customer service lady about the plenum not having holes, but had to prove it with a picture that I sent. She apologized and said that she would send a new plenum sometime the following week. This was on a Thursday. She then explained that they were doing inventory, and it might be the end of the following week before they could mail it out. Pretty amazing that there was no sense of urgency to satisfy the customer for a pretty major mistake on their part - poor quality control to allow an undrilled plenum to be sent to a customer, and then taking days to send a replacement. Wanting to get my system running, I drilled the holes in the plenum and continued on with my assembly. Got the system completed, started it up, and was amazed at the quality of the performance. I still was using hoses, and decided that I would get my ductwork elsewhere because of my experience with their customer service. I sent an email to my salesman, detailing how I thought they should have responded, and made suggestions, very respectfully, on how they could improve their customer focus/service. I did this because I have run an international business with many field tech service reps and salesmen, and customer service & satisfaction were of utmost importance to us. I asked him to share it with heir leadership team, and to give me a call to discuss. Never heard a word, or received a call or even an email. After trying local supply houses, it became obvious that Oneida was the most convenient choice for my ductwork - single supply source for all products. I chose to order everything on line from their website instead of calling my salesman who did not bother to call me, as requested. The ductwork arrived as scheduled, and I assembled my system and began operation. The design required the main line to go up to a 12' elevation to go across my shop in a couple of directions, with another branch going off of one duct. I had multiple drops that also had other branches ranging in size from 6" to 5", and then 4". The Cyclone and the system design are incredible, and I love the performance and efficiency. As I said, fantastic equipment, and design service, that was made less great by their response to a problem with their product. I ordered the steel 35 gallon drum, because I wanted that instead of fiber, and also didn't want to be pulling 55 gallon bags of dust out of the system. After a few weeks, I used some plywood and an extra rolling tool base that I had to make the drum easier to pull out for changing the bags. The "bag hold down" that was a promotional add to the system makes the bags stay in place and makes it easy to remove the bag once it is full. I also ordered the "Dust Sentry" drum level indicator, which is probably the greatest feature of the system, except for it's dust pickup capability. The performance of this system cannot be beat, capturing almost every shaving off of my 25" planer and 38" drum sander, lifting them up to a 12' height, getting them across my shop, and into the drum. Mine could have been a great testimonial on their website or brochures, if they had only given an acceptable level of customer service. A great American made product that did not have great American service.

Detailed Ratings

5.0
out of 5

Performance

5

Features

5

Ease of Use

5

Value

5

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